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  • Aug. 23rd, 2006 at 2:01 PM
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This post was inspired by Jesse's excellent and informative post about Nestle, here. Sometimes it's good to explain why you do what you are doing.

Also, I've come under fire for posting in defence of Status of Women Canada, without really saying why they are important. That's a fair criticism, so I'm going to post some info about why women in Canada need a ministry to advocate for them, with excerpts from this document, published by Status of Women last year: Equality for Women in Canada: Beyond The Illusion.

Here we go:

Rates of family-related Sexual Assault / Rate per 100000 females and males
Girls are more likely to be victims of sexual assault perpetrated by a family member than boys.
SOURCE: Statistics Canada, Family Violence in Canada: A Statistical Profile, 2005


Percentage of Women and Men Corporate Officers and Top Earners in Canada
Women's representation in corporate leadership in Canada is extremely low.
SOURCE: Catalyst, Census of Women Corporate Officers and Top Earners of Canada, 2004
NOTE: Findings based on companies ranked in the National Post's Financial Post 500 List (FP500)


Distribution of Positions of Power in Government (%)
Women are still heavily under-represented in positions of power within federal, provincial and territorial governments.
SOURCE: Statistics Canada, Women and Men in Canada, 2003


Degree Attainment for Women and Men (2001)
Women are under-represented in mathematical/physical sciences and engineering enrolment.
SOURCE: Statistics Canada, Census of Canada, 2001


Women and Men Entrepreneurs (%)
In the last 30 years, women have made strides in self-employment.
SOURCE: Statistics Canada, Census of Canada, 1971-2001


Type of Industry for Women and Men Entrepreneurs
Women entrepreneurs are over-represented in personal and social service industries.
SOURCE: Statistics Canada, Census of Canada, 2001


Distribution (%) of Unpaid Work (Weekly Average)
The vast majority of unpaid work is still done by women.
SOURCE: Statistics Canada, Census of Canada, 2001

The most recent figures show that 38 percent of Aboriginal women live in low-income situations. So, too, do 35 percent of lone mothers and 27 percent of immigrant women. Immigrant women working full time earn 58 cents for every dollar earned by Canadian-born men. There is a much higher risk of poverty for women heading lone-parent families, immigrant women, senior women living alone and women with disabilities. Aboriginal women face higher rates of poverty, unemployment and poor housing than other Canadians.


Low-income (%) status of certain populations of Women and Men (2001)
Women who are immigrants, disabled, a member of a visible minority or Aboriginal are more likely to live in poverty than men.
SOURCE: Statistics Canada, Census of Canada, 2001
NOTE: Based on Low Income Cut-Offs (LICOs). LICOs estimate the income level at which a family is in difficult financial circumstances because it has to spend a greater portion of its income on the basics (food, clothing and shelter) than does the average family of similar size. The LICOs vary by family size and by size of community.


After Tax Income
Women's income is gradually increasing but the gap between women and men remains the same.
SOURCE: Statistics Canada, Labour Force Survey, 2002 and Survey of Labour and Income Dynamics, 2002.

Comments

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[info]littlegirltoast wrote:
Aug. 23rd, 2006 05:09 pm (UTC)
Personally I'm a humanist, in that I believe humans are underrepresented in corporate leadership, political influence, and all that other stuff. I don't see why you have to be so DIVISIVE.

Just because the real world is divisive doesn't mean YOU have to be!
[info]audrawilliams wrote:
Aug. 23rd, 2006 05:16 pm (UTC)
Ha ha ha ha ha!

I was going to say that human are underrepresented in, you know, ZOOS. But then I remembered this.

I guess it's WHITE PEOPLE who can't can't get a gig as a zoo animal. How RACIST.
[info]littlegirltoast wrote:
Aug. 23rd, 2006 06:04 pm (UTC)
No-one is saying that there aren't some racial equality issues w/r/t ethnic representation amongst humans in zoos that need to be addressed.
(Anonymous) wrote:
Aug. 23rd, 2006 05:12 pm (UTC)
No one is saying that there are some equality issues that need to be addressed. Women are saying that SOW (what an appropriate acronymn) isn't the way. If they were, they wouldn't have gone bankrupt, they wouldn't be demanding more money. Its painfully obvious that they don't represent the mainstream woman. Its time to cut them off the public teat and if they really have a good purpose, they will last on their own, although it is much easier to last with public funding and they couldn't even do that.
[info]human_loser wrote:
Aug. 23rd, 2006 06:01 pm (UTC)
Bravely anonymous! I commend you!
[info]littlegirltoast wrote:
Aug. 23rd, 2006 06:01 pm (UTC)
When you respond to an originating argument with a phrase like "No-one is saying that...", it actually implies that you believe no-one in the WORLD to be saying what follows.

Some people certainly do say that there no equality issues that need to be addressed, and they say it loudly and with great frequency.

How would YOU address them, if not with an organization that exists in order to address them? That seems like a pretty straightforward response to me.
(Anonymous) wrote:
Aug. 24th, 2006 01:38 pm (UTC)
Which people say that there are no equality issues? I know that when women got the *snicker* right to take off their tops in public, it was ridiculed by women in general and by men who came out to film them topless. These women, needless to say, were and are feminists. The same ones who attempt to call prostitutes, trade-workers, sex-workers and the like, you bring women down by doing this. Littlegirltoast, read my post again, I'm not suggesting not having an organization, I'm suggesting having one that accurately reflects women, and REAL Women reflects this more than SOW does. They may not be the right organization but SOW has proven to be a waste of money rather than an accurate portrayal of women. I would guess that SOW would support calling prostitutes, sextrade workers which insults people who actually have studied and worked in a real trade rather than spreading ones legs apart for a slime-ball to have sex.
[info]audrawilliams wrote:
Aug. 24th, 2006 01:44 pm (UTC)
What do you even mean when you say that you guess SWC would support calling prostitutes "sex-trade workers"? Are you saying that the Hon. Minister Bev Oda would say that? She is the one in charge of SWC.

REAL Women can't replace Status of Women Canada. One is an organization. The other is a governmental agency.
[info]littlegirltoast wrote:
Aug. 24th, 2006 02:03 pm (UTC)
It's being made pretty clear that you don't like women very much. What's your stake in this conversation?
[info]big_paul wrote:
Aug. 23rd, 2006 06:08 pm (UTC)
Oh, blah, blah, blah, posting anonymously.

"If they were, they wouldn't have gone bankrupt, they wouldn't be demanding more money."

Who the hell wrote this, Margaret Thatcher?

When exactly did revenue generation become the acid test for whether or not a given government program is a good idea?

So, are schools, hospitals, and every other bloody government service to be held to that same standard now?

As to the assertion "Women are saying that SOW isn't the way.", the only women saying that are either think-tank lobbyists who are paid for by corporate interests, or people who think that the SoW is a communist plot.
(Anonymous) wrote:
Aug. 24th, 2006 01:32 pm (UTC)
It becomes the litmus test when women who would supposedly support this barely come up with a whimper when SOW (again, funny acronymn) dies out because they can't sustain themselves. I know its hard to understand especially when its probably close to your heart, but when revenue is the key to push your agenda, it is the acid test. Look at Real Women, they rely on the support of individuals and they are self-sustaining.
[info]audrawilliams wrote:
Aug. 24th, 2006 01:37 pm (UTC)
They are an ORGANIZATION. They have members who pay dues or whatever. SWC is a GOVERNMENTAL AGENCY. Governmental agencies aren't revenue-generating. Like, it's not like you can say "Hey, how much did the Canadian Food Inspection Agency bring in last month. NOTHING? Scrap 'em!"
(Anonymous) wrote:
Aug. 25th, 2006 08:25 pm (UTC)
What's wrong with Margaret Thatcher?

I mean, it makes complete sense that the First Woman Prime Minister of Britain would be attacked by someone supporting the advancement of women's rights. Right?

I guess Margaret Thatcher doesn't count because she was a conservative.

Unbelievable. You just completely ignored everything she did for the advancement of women's rights everywhere.
[info]saskatchewan wrote:
Aug. 23rd, 2006 06:15 pm (UTC)
As has been aptly demonstrated, mainstream women (or women at all) are not represented in government, business, or academics. Who are these “mainstream” women that you claim to know so much about? Where are you finding them? How do you think it’s helpful to the status and equality of women in this country to stop keeping records of their presence in public spheres of life?

Why do boneheaded idiots like yourself feel so entitled to spew this foolishness around while claiming to speak on behalf of “mainstream” women?

I suspect your experience with women is limited.
[info]pensivegargoyle wrote:
Aug. 23rd, 2006 06:24 pm (UTC)
How can a government agency go bankrupt? I think you're confusing Status of Women Canada which is a part of the federal government with the National Action Committee on the Status of Women, an organization that did suffer severe financial difficulties when the federal government reduced its funding.
[info]littlegirltoast wrote:
Aug. 23rd, 2006 06:35 pm (UTC)
No-one is saying there aren't some factual inaccuracies in his or her rant that need addressing!
(Anonymous) wrote:
Aug. 24th, 2006 01:40 pm (UTC)
You're correct, am I correct in saying that SOW was the umbrella for NAC SOW?
[info]audrawilliams wrote:
Aug. 24th, 2006 01:48 pm (UTC)
No no no no no! I understand now, there is a lot of confusion around this. I actually just made a new post to clarify. SWC did fund NAC, but they also fund the YWCA and the Federation of Canadian Municipalities and The National Campus and Community Radio Association and Muriel McQueen Fergusson Centre for Family Violence Research and seriously a lot of organizations. They are no more the umbrella for NAC as they are for any of those groups. As in, not at all.

I seriously seriously wish the groups didn't both have "status of women" in their name, because it makes them seem like one is far more connected to the other than it is.
[info]rtwo wrote:
Aug. 23rd, 2006 06:43 pm (UTC)
I think I might have better data for the science/engineering stuff. I keynoted a conference a while back on how the provinces should alter there science education to better meet the needs of ALL students.
[info]rtwo wrote:
Aug. 23rd, 2006 06:43 pm (UTC)
Oops, I meant to say, I can send you the speech/presentation if you're interested. If not, no worries.
[info]audrawilliams wrote:
Aug. 23rd, 2006 06:45 pm (UTC)
Oh god totally please do that would be FANTASTIC!
[info]rtwo wrote:
Aug. 23rd, 2006 06:54 pm (UTC)
No problem. I'll send it tonight. It's on my laptop at home.
[info]rtwo wrote:
Aug. 23rd, 2006 07:00 pm (UTC)
I just remembered: The Star and a couple of places reprinted the speech. http://www.accn.ca/accn2002/Oct2002/pages%2019-38.pdf (Starts on Page 33.)
It's a little older than I'd thought though: 2002.
I'll send the charts tonight. For whatever reason, noone thought they were worth publishing.
(Anonymous) wrote:
Aug. 23rd, 2006 07:39 pm (UTC)
Labour Thingy & Kittens
As a guy, I really don't have any comments about the labour/income dynamics, because I'm not anywhere near having political or economic power. Of course, it might be due to the fact I have no interest in taking the time to curry connections and whisper out back room deals.

That, and the fact I tend to waste my time looking at things like kittens playing guitars...

http://www.rathergood.com/punk_kittens/

JEB
[info]littlegirltoast wrote:
Aug. 23rd, 2006 08:02 pm (UTC)
Re: Labour Thingy & Kittens
What makes you think you don't have political or economic power?

Everyone has some. Even girls. They just have less, usually.
[info]queencallipygos wrote:
Aug. 23rd, 2006 08:13 pm (UTC)
Re: Labour Thingy & Kittens
Everyone has political and economic power. The question is whether or not people a) realize it and b) use it.

If you ever question whether people have economic power, consider the Montgomery, Alabama public bus system.
[info]jeemy wrote:
Aug. 23rd, 2006 09:32 pm (UTC)
I haven't read the linked blog or put too much thought into this but give me your comments on this opinion of mine.

In the chart, "Degree Attainment For Women & Men (2001)", it shows that the only degree that women obtain more than men is education. Now out of the 6 degrees listed, I would assume that an educational degree would pay the least. So if men are graduating with "higher paying degrees", then doesn't it make sense that men would be making significantly more money than women?

I'm quite sure that university acceptance is not gender biased but if it is, please correct me. As a quick example, all of the university level business courses I took were more than 3/4 male students.
[info]glapaloopscap wrote:
Aug. 23rd, 2006 09:51 pm (UTC)
I'm not sure what you're trying to say with this. Are you suggesting that women get paid less because they choose lower paying jobs? The response to that would be something about how women are discouraged from pursuing careers traditionally viewed as men's jobs. I don't think university acceptance is gender biased, except at some places that are trying to correct a gender imbalance (the ethics of which are tricky). But there are definitely still cultural assumptions about what constitutes men's vs. women's work that can affect females throughout their lives. Sometimes it's subtle and sometimes it's not. I'm guessing if you've ever experienced/witnessed this kind of thing, it was subtle, but for a lot of people it isn't. I saw a lot of this stuff growing up in Cape Breton - attitudes like "girls are sissies and bad at math" and "men don't have feelings" and such.

So... did I answer your question, or did I miss the point?
[info]queencallipygos wrote:
Aug. 24th, 2006 01:37 pm (UTC)
As a quick example, all of the university level business courses I took were more than 3/4 male students.

Which I'm sure is not the case at all-women's colleges...

Sorry, that was a little flip. My point, though, is that simply because the business level courses you took were more than 3/4 male students, this does not mean that the statistic is the same world-wide.

Moreover, one could consider the very societal value scale that says that one kind of degree "pays more" than the other, as it is jobs that are traditionally "women's work" that have lower salaries than "mens' work," and the very notion that one kind of work is less fiscally important than the other is, if you think about it, odd. Especially if you question why that importance seems to be based on gender lines.
(Anonymous) wrote:
Aug. 26th, 2006 05:56 pm (UTC)
so this is what you were talking about? but Jer, how can you ask these mindless sheep to correct you? ^.^ It must be because they are all statisticians and doctors!

Audra, you are not quailified to understand statistics.

You are exactly the kind of person the media loves. You hear the barest minimum and leap to the conclusions they want you too because you don't actually think very hard. You are comparing things that can't be compared. You are leaving parts of the equation out.

You just like being angry all the time. You seek it. You wouldn't know how to live your life if you weren't. You are happy ignoring the real issues because you are not really interested in change, only appearing that you are. That's what they want. To distract you from what's really going on in the world.
[info]audrawilliams wrote:
Aug. 26th, 2006 06:20 pm (UTC)
Okay I know that Jesse and I had agreed that we weren't going to really bother with acknowledging you anymore, but did you seriously just call Jessica a mindless sheep? Do you think nothing in her response was valid? What about Queen C? I mean, fine, you think I am sooooo stupid whatever, but I feel like both of them made an effort to answer your brother in good faith, and deserve better than to be insulted for it.
[info]c13 wrote:
Aug. 24th, 2006 08:53 am (UTC)
Argh, I wish I could comment but I must go catch a plane! Perhaps later…
(Anonymous) wrote:
Aug. 25th, 2006 08:12 pm (UTC)
To suggest that enrolment in Canadian Universities is lower for women than it is for men is an absolute fallacy. Most universities in our nation are two-thirds female, and females also have a lower drop-out rate than men.

If you're suggesting that Canadian Universities are short on female students, I have to question why my university is shutting down its only remaining all-male dorm in order to make it co-ed (there are currently three all-female dorms on campus already).
[info]audrawilliams wrote:
Aug. 25th, 2006 08:16 pm (UTC)
Uh, I'm not suggesting anything. I didn't do the research!
[info]glapaloopscap wrote:
Sep. 29th, 2006 06:38 pm (UTC)
Hullo, I just posted a copy of this (including a link back to here) on a forum where people were arguing that feminism is no longer necessary. I figured you wouldn't mind. Hope it's okay!
[info]audrawilliams wrote:
Sep. 29th, 2006 11:32 pm (UTC)
AWESOME! Thanks!
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