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SWC does not equal NAC

  • Aug. 24th, 2006 at 10:04 AM
winkle
I feel like some of the folks who are upset about the existence of Status of Women Canada are actually confusing it with The National Action Committee on the Status of Women. I used to do that, too! They have similar names and objectives. They are REALLY REALLY different though.

Status of Women Canada (SWC) is the federal government agency which promotes gender equality, and the full participation of women in the economic, social, cultural and political life of the country. SWC focuses its work in three areas: improving women's economic autonomy and well-being, eliminating systemic violence against women and children, and advancing women's human rights.

The National Action Committee on the Status of Women (NAC) is the largest feminist organization in Canada. A coalition of more than 700 member groups, NAC has been fighting for women's equality for 27 years.

The crucial difference there is that SWC is a federal government agency, and NAC is a feminist organization. NAC does receive funding from SWC, but so do a wide variety of groups.

Someone can correct me (please!) if this analogy is wrong, but I feel like SWC is to NAC as The Department of Indian Affairs is to The Assembly of First Nations. I don't know if that analogy helps at all, but there you have it.

Edit: See, this is what I am talking about. Someone just posted this in response to an earlier entry:
It becomes the litmus test when women who would supposedly support this barely come up with a whimper when SOW (again, funny acronymn) dies out because they can't sustain themselves. I know its hard to understand especially when its probably close to your heart, but when revenue is the key to push your agenda, it is the acid test. Look at Real Women, they rely on the support of individuals and they are self-sustaining.

To which I replied:
REAL Women are an ORGANIZATION. They have members who pay dues or whatever. SWC is a GOVERNMENTAL AGENCY. Governmental agencies aren't revenue-generating. Like, it's not like you can say "Hey, how much did the Canadian Food Inspection Agency bring in last month. NOTHING? Scrap 'em!"

I'm not posting that to show how clever I am or anything, but just to demonstrate that I really feel like some of the opposition is coming from a place of misunderstanding.

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[info]allyfromtheblog wrote:
Aug. 24th, 2006 02:12 pm (UTC)
Whatever. You totally want people to think you are clever.

Which, I do think. Also, funny.

[info]big_paul wrote:
Aug. 24th, 2006 02:17 pm (UTC)
I would also like to come out in favor of 'you = clever', but anyways...

As I dust off my tinfoil hat, in a day and age of think-tanks paid for by vested monied interests that masquerade as neutral public-interest groups (cough-cough, Fraser institute, ahem!), I can't help but wonder if some of that confusion is deliberate.

[info]queencallipygos wrote:
Aug. 24th, 2006 02:46 pm (UTC)
I'm not posting that to show how clever I am or anything, but just to demonstrate that I really feel like some of the opposition is coming from a place of misunderstanding.

Oh, I have a theory that at least 50% of all opposition easily can be chalked up to misunderstanding. I used to hang out on the Yahoo religious discussion boards (THOSE were wild, believe me), and got into a couple discussions with people who started out being really, really aggressive anti-gay marriage or anti-abortion activists. But by continuing to discuss things with them, at some point, something like this would happen:

THEM: ...Now, I don't mind if those people live together, but I don't understand why they keep saying they want to be "legally married." What does "legally married" mean, anyway?
ME: Well, in this country, there are certain legal rights that only married couples have.
THEM: Wait, really? Like what?
ME: Well, for instance, the right for one partner to leave property to the other in their will, or the right for one partner to be considered the "next of kin" when it comes to making medical decisions, or the right for one partner to be able to insure the other on their medical or life insurance.
THEM: Wow. There are laws that restrict that?
ME: Right. Unless you're married, there are certain legal and financial things you can't do. And all these couples are saying is that they would like those legal protections that are extended to married couples. What the church does with them is a different matter completely.
THEM: So, wait, that's what this is about? That's all?
ME: Yep.
THEM: ...Huh. Well, now wait, I don't have a problem with that, lemme rethink this....
(Anonymous) wrote:
Aug. 24th, 2006 11:52 pm (UTC)
Whats most disconcerting is the level or organization that REAL women have achieved. A very organized and vigilant response needs to be initiated. A concerted effort on the part of all of those in favor of equality and women's rights is needed now. Status of Women Canada has not been wasting money, they have been creating landmark research that verifies women's position in society- apparently this is too much truth for those over at REAL women. Whether you are a feminist or not it must be acknowledged that this is a direct attack on the progress that has been made for women. Gender mainstreaming is not the answer, because then women's issues become everyone and nobodies business- just ask Stephen Lewis.
Any protests or marches planned?
FN
[info]locketportrait wrote:
Aug. 24th, 2006 03:26 pm (UTC)
The INAC/AFN analogy is perfect.

I noticed that one blogger kept referring to REAL Women as an "agency", too, so that probably confuses things further.
[info]robotropolis wrote:
Aug. 24th, 2006 07:52 pm (UTC)
The only thing I mind about the INAC/AFN analogy is that I would say that pretty much all of the FN people that I know detest INAC and see it as a very paternalistic, neocolonialist (if not flat out colonialist) agency. Which I'm not sensing is Aud's impression of SWC.
[info]audrawilliams wrote:
Aug. 24th, 2006 07:56 pm (UTC)
No, of course. I guess I just meant as far as their relationship to each other.

I don't feel that INAC is to FN people as SWC is to women.
[info]littlegirltoast wrote:
Aug. 24th, 2006 03:27 pm (UTC)
REAL Women is also like, frothing at the mouth about how SWC won't give them any money. If they are self-sufficient, they are also avaricious.
[info]loolica wrote:
Aug. 24th, 2006 07:38 pm (UTC)
yes and also, if NAC were to shut down it would be because the members decided it was time or whatever whereas if SWC gets shut down it is because WE ARE BEING GOVERNED BY SEXIST FUCKWADS. crucial difference.
[info]moxieholic wrote:
Aug. 24th, 2006 09:31 pm (UTC)
Also...do not confuse SWC with SWAC. Two very different things.
(Anonymous) wrote:
Aug. 25th, 2006 01:48 pm (UTC)
SWC
SWC isn't revenue generating, but it DOES grant funding to various groups, studies, programs, etc. The main problem with SWC is that they discriminate when it comes to funding, by only funding groups that have a liberal/feminist point of view.

THAT'S why people are calling for the SWC to be cut. Yes, it perhaps does some good things, but it does not represent the views of all women in Canada. If it did, there would be no problem.

Solution? Stop selecting only feminist groups for funding, and start funding various pro-family projects and groups that propose a different point of view on how to solve the problems existing for women today. If we really want to solve these ongoing problems, why not include all voices in the discussion?

Unless, of course, you're only interested in supporting a pro-feminist, pro-abortion, pro-immorality agenda. If not, then there's not problem listening to the other side of the coin, now is there?
[info]audrawilliams wrote:
Aug. 25th, 2006 02:11 pm (UTC)
Re: SWC
What sorts of "immoral" groups do you feel SWC funds?
(Anonymous) wrote:
Aug. 25th, 2006 06:00 pm (UTC)
Audra

How would you like it if the Canadian government had a program that only funded people and organisations that have a social conservative point of view? These organizations and people represent every thing you disagree with but here is a government program that is using some of your tax dollars subsidising them. This is the problem that many people have with SWC; it only gives money to feminist with a certain point of view like NAC but gives nothing to other feminist like Real Women. Since a good argument can be made that Real Women represent more Canadian women point of view then NAC, SWC is giving money to feminist organizations that are on the fringe of society.

Deno
[info]audrawilliams wrote:
Aug. 25th, 2006 06:32 pm (UTC)
Hi there!

I've been trying to actually answer questions as they come in, and I'd appreciate it if I could ask you a questin, too. Can you please let me know what these "fringe groups" are who you feel SWC shouldn't be funding?

I'm also curious about the argument that REAL Women are more representative of the vies of Canadian women than groups that SWC funds.

As for your first question, I wouldn't like it at all if only social conservative organizations got funding, of course. Luckily, these are the criteria for funding eligibility for SWC:

Who is eligible?

• Women's organizations in Canada whose objectives are to promote equality for women in Canadian society; and
• other non-profit, voluntary organizations in Canada committed to equality for women in Canadian society (including ad hoc or permanent committees or coalitions of voluntary, non-profit organizations where women play a significant part in decision-making).

An organization must be able to demonstrate that:
• its principles, objectives and activities support the attainment of women's equality as defined in the United Nations Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women, The Federal Plan for Gender Equality, the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, and the Beijing Platform for Action;
• it operates democratically, or in other participatory ways, and represents its membership or constituency;
• the person responsible for the application has the organization's support; and
• the results of any funded initiative will be made accessible to the public and other organizations which promote women's equality in Canada.
If REAL Women doesn't qualify for funding, can you tell me why that is? I suspect, but I am not sure, that it's because they don't meet the eligibility requirement re: the Charter. Because REAL Women are not in favour of equal rights for gay Canadians.

Do you feel like those eligibility requirements are unreasonable?
[info]jason_townsend wrote:
Aug. 28th, 2006 11:05 pm (UTC)
SWC
Interesting; I suspect the coincidence of names is exactly why the conservative blogs are so fired up over this issue.

Of course, I doubt any of them will slap their foreheads and take their remarks back; it's easier to simply pretend the usual bile was headed where they intended all along.
[info]audrawilliams wrote:
Aug. 29th, 2006 01:06 am (UTC)
Re: SWC
Hey, thanks for saying that! I really feel like I'm onto something here, but since I started blogging about SWC with actual facts, the right-wingers have stopped talking to me!
[info]jason_townsend wrote:
Aug. 29th, 2006 04:28 am (UTC)
Re: SWC
Hard thing to prove. I can't imagine REAL women or their boosters approving of the SWC, or the charter for that matter. Certainly not enough to regret having mistargetted their attacks.

I remember reading about the Wilhelmine German "Bund zur Bekämpfung der Frauenemanzipation" (League to Combat Women's Emancipation) in Richard Evans and having a hard time not snickering at the earnest preposterousness of the name and concept.

Apparently nowadays organized antifeminism is no laughing matter.
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