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BIG NEWS UPDATE!

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I have started wearing dark silver eyeshadow and super-low-contrast (compared to my normal standards) lipstick. (I haven't started washing my hair, though, don't worry.)

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tree_of_jessie
Sep. 23rd, 2011 06:22 pm (UTC)
here is a thing that is relevant to your post and better said than i would have managed:

http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2011/07/25/open-letter-to-the-fashion-industry-or-nude-not-actually-a-color/
audrawilliams
Sep. 23rd, 2011 06:24 pm (UTC)
Edited!
twiin
Sep. 23rd, 2011 10:34 pm (UTC)
It is funny how we recoil in horror at the idea of 'flesh' crayons, but 'nude' clothing/cosmetics seems totally normal.
kira_lynn
Sep. 24th, 2011 04:02 pm (UTC)
i think it's because a crayon can't match everyone's flesh, but clothing or make-up can create a nude effect. (so i think it is okay to use)
the difference is if you are describing it editorially or naming a shade that for your brand or whatever.
sloot
Sep. 24th, 2011 05:48 am (UTC)
miss_bontemps' room is "Caucasian". It never occurred to us to call it "nude", maybe because it matches our arms too.
littlegirltoast
Sep. 24th, 2011 08:10 pm (UTC)
It's kind of silly still - Caucasian as it pertains to visible ethnicity refers to bone structure. It could still mean any skin tone.
kira_lynn
Sep. 24th, 2011 04:00 pm (UTC)
i think calling a dress "nude colour" is offensive.

i think a person saying they are wearing nude lipcolour is okay!

when masquerading as a make-up artist i would say "pair that with a nude lip" and it means either:
a) sheer
b) a tone that is not much deeper/brighter whatever the person's natural lip colour. i'm not instructing mary kay to call their lipstick nude.

audrawilliams
Sep. 24th, 2011 04:17 pm (UTC)
Yeah, this is how I feel, too. But I didn't know how to explain it. Thanks!
kira_lynn
Sep. 24th, 2011 04:29 pm (UTC)
I had read that article before, and liked it, I just don't think it applies here. The point I am trying to make is even sort of in the article:

"Next: To the extent that “nude” could conceivably be a color, it would (by inference) be “the color of the person wearing it.


I see now that someone in the comments mentions saying "pair it with a nude lip" (what i said above) and called it racist. I disagree! I wonder if people of colour feel offended/upset by the nude-lip thing.

I have done a lot of Black women's make-up and I don't think I am being white-centric when I think about nude lip in relation to their lips, but I am open to thinking about it.
tree_of_jessie
Sep. 29th, 2011 10:30 am (UTC)
but what's wrong with the word "neutral?" and that's a fashioney word, too. and i feel like it is maybe less confusing than "nude" might be; a lot of people still associate that word with pale pinky beige, regardless of what you might mean to refer to, because that's what it still means for a LOT of people in a lot of other spheres.

see the thing is i have actually seen makeup products that closely resemble my skin tone with the shade name "nude." perhaps i just don't have enough experience or something and that is not typical (i am willing to accept it if someone can tell/show me that it isn't), but i remain dubious for now.
miss_bontemps
Sep. 24th, 2011 09:03 pm (UTC)
Filed under 'Things that have never occurred to me before"

Thanks for the link!
stegosaur
Sep. 23rd, 2011 08:02 pm (UTC)
One of these days I'm going to figure out lipstick. How do you know which colour to get??
audrawilliams
Sep. 27th, 2011 05:54 pm (UTC)
Trial and error, mostly. I bought TWO colours that were no good, before I got this one. One is still in my makeup bag, the other I gave to Lili:


manoman
Sep. 23rd, 2011 08:13 pm (UTC)
I like it.
lisagarbage
Sep. 24th, 2011 04:12 pm (UTC)
Beautiful. I love grey eyeshadow. Or dark silver, as you so eloquently put it.
kira_lynn
Sep. 24th, 2011 04:32 pm (UTC)
I'm not sure if this link works, but this is the Google Image result I get for "nude lip", so it seems a lot of people are using it the way that I do: to include Black people and other women of colour:

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=nude+lip&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=597l1600l0l2310l8l7l0l0l0l0l613l3927l5-7l7l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&biw=1280&bih=709&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi
robotropolis
Sep. 25th, 2011 02:54 am (UTC)
Yes, I would assume for makeup the term nude actually is less a straight up single color term meaning pinko grey and is more synonymous with bare as in 'looks like the wearer's bare skin' and is therefore very appropriate and useful!

I have no fashion updates but I wish I did! I like the new look!
ladykutenay
Sep. 26th, 2011 08:50 pm (UTC)
SO PRETTY! You look very ethereal and grown-up.
audrawilliams
Sep. 27th, 2011 05:55 pm (UTC)
Thank you!!
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