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I can't even express to you how completely demoralizing it is to see all these fucking rape apologists talking about Tosh. Big surprise: The vaaaast majority of people doing this are white dudes, aka: the safest people in the world.

My favourite response from any male comic so far has been this from (non-white dude) W. Kamau Bell:

"For the record I'm anti-heckling & anti-rape but I'm waaaaaay more anti-rape than I am anti-heckling. ‪#IfIHaveToChoose‬ ‪#ApparentlyIDo‬ ‪#Weird"

To cheer myself up about the plummeting respect I'm feeling for so many people right now, I wanted to shine a light on something AMAZING Jairus did this spring, in response to our culture of casual misogyny.

Jairus makes industrial music, and DJs industrial music, and talks about industrial music a lot. One thing he has been saying for years is that he's really demoralized by how racist and misogynist mainstream industrial music is getting. His criticism was often about two bands in particular, CombiChrist and Nachtmar. (You'll see examples of why, below.)

Last winter, Jairus was booked to play a huge multi-day festival in Montreal called Kinetik. Two months before the festival itself, the schedule came out ... and Jairus found out he was opening for the same two bands he's been so critical of. At first he was going to just cancel, but then he thought "What would Jello Biafara do?" and instead decided that during his last set, he was going to project this video (that he spent a month putting together) on the huge screen behind him while he played, calling out the bands he was opening for and asking the audience to think and talk about the culture those bands are perpetuating:

(Trigger warning: While I think this video is REALLY IMPORTANT, it also contains examples of the racism and misogyny that Jairus is trying to start a conversation about. So feel no pressure to watch it if you're not up for seeing those sorts of images).



The response was AMAZING. The audience cheered through the whole video, and for a couple of minutes after Jairus left the stage. Several women at the festival immediately began tweeting and Facebooking about how much this meant to him, and for the rest of the festival people were talking about what he had done, and what it meant. It was so incredible to see.

There was of course a TON of backlash. Jairus got accused of trying to sell records (Jairus gives away all of his music for free online and his CD's are pay-what-you-want), insulted a bunch, and told that it was not the "appropriate place" to do what he did. Which, like, whatever. Is it rude to call out misogyny and racism? I guess some people think so. I think it's more rude to be misogynist and racist. What better place to try to communicate your concerns about the impact of two lousy bands than to the thousand people who are in the audience for those bands?

Jairus said something to me, a week into the flurry of conversation about it (last time we checked there were 15K views of the video and over 1100 shares of it on Facebook). It was "One thing that really proves me point about the misogyny in our scene is that in all of the hate mail I've gotten about this, no one has ever threatened to rape me."

That's just it, hey?

So fuck off forever, Daniel Tosh.

And big big love to Jairus, and to all the people who stand up against gender terrorism.

(If you want to read more about why Jairus did what he did, AND get the reaction from the bands themselves, there is a great piece here, on music blog I Die: You Die. I really recommend checking it out.)

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littlegirltoast
Jul. 14th, 2012 04:27 pm (UTC)
To fully demonstrate the contrast in types of responses that Jairus was alluding to when he said what no-one had threatened him with, I want to link to an overview compiled by feminist nerd blogger Anita Sarkeesian of harassment she'd so far experienced for not even openly criticizing any specific person for any specific thing, but for starting a Kickstarter to fund a short documentary that would look into whether there are any gendered issues in video games and gaming.

I know a lot have people have linked this and discussed it in a lot of places, but just in case anyone has missed it (it's not exactly dominating CNN's cycle), I want to warn you that it's really upsetting and graphic in terms of depictions of violence, and descriptions of sexual assault. So please view it at a time when you can take on something like that, which can also be never!

http://www.feministfrequency.com/2012/07/image-based-harassment-and-visual-misogyny/
littlegirltoast
Jul. 14th, 2012 04:29 pm (UTC)
or I mean maybe even a better example for contrast would be a cross-section of letters Audra received when she would do such things as:

- moderate a political web forum;
- do PR for a US war resister;
- express an opinion on anything, anywhere, at any time.

Things which most often didn't even come close to being ABOUT that.
satanhog
Jul. 14th, 2012 05:34 pm (UTC)
Also it should be noted that Sarkeesian intentionally let the comments get that way as part of some social experiment.

A good deal of the outrage pointed at Sarkeesian was the fact that she was completely spouting crap. She claimed that all female characters "With a few notable exceptions" fit into 1 out 5 trope categories. This was actually true in 1999, but video games have come a long way since then. I mean if you look back to those times most characters of any kind were pretty 1 dimensional.


I did a more detailed write up here
http://satanhog.livejournal.com/1766.html
audrawilliams
Jul. 15th, 2012 07:47 pm (UTC)
What does the fact that she did not stop the comments from happening have to do with ANYTHING?? Why is that worth noting??
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satanhog
Jul. 14th, 2012 08:31 pm (UTC)
I actually have a post about that on my LJ, I un-protected it so you might see it
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anne_t_social
Jul. 14th, 2012 05:19 pm (UTC)
I love Jairus and am still in awe that he did this. What a mensch!
audrawilliams
Jul. 15th, 2012 07:29 pm (UTC)
Anne the comments on this entry went bananas.
anne_t_social
Jul. 15th, 2012 11:54 pm (UTC)
Whoa did they ever!
satanhog
Jul. 14th, 2012 05:27 pm (UTC)
"The vaaaast majority of people doing this are white dudes, aka: the safest people in the world. "


Except not. Men are several times more likely to be the victims of violent crime, hundreds of times more likely to be killed at work, equally likely to be the victims of domestic violence, and more likely to be the victims of severe domestic violence.

On what matrix is it safer to be a man? Even if you look at sexual assault the number of incidences make it skew against men. More women are raped then men, but the men that are raped are usually raped hundreds or thousands of times, so I'm not sure where you are getting this "safest" thing.


The reason you think this is because of the societal norm that violence against men is a minor issue that is glossed over, but violence against women commands a much greater deal of attention.
crushdmb
Jul. 14th, 2012 05:38 pm (UTC)
"Except not. Men are several times more likely to be the victims of violent crime, hundreds of times more likely to be killed at work, equally likely to be the victims of domestic violence, and more likely to be the victims of severe domestic violence. "

[citations needed]

Although I think you're sort of right (it's far more complicated than you're implying, though), you must remember that it's MEN causing this violence, and this violence ALSO EFFECTS WOMEN.

So basically, a huge majority of men are violent assholes and cause the LARGE majority of the world's violence, which does not just effect men. Totes not any better, you know.
satanhog
Jul. 14th, 2012 06:30 pm (UTC)
Straus, M. A., & Ramirez, I. L. (n.d.). Gender Symmetry in Prevalence, Severity, and

Chronicity of Physical Aggression Against Dating Partners by University Students

in Mexico and USA. AGGRESSIVE BEHAVIOR Volume 33, pages 281–290

(2007). Retrieved May 5, 2011, from pubpages.unh.edu/~mas2/ID12-Straus-

Ramirez%20Gender%20Symmetry.pdf


Kar, MHS, MA, H. L., & O'Leary Ph.D, K. D. (2010). Gender Symmetry or Asymmetry in

Intimate Partner Victimization? Not an Either/Or. Partner Abuse, 01(2), 152-168.

Jacobs, B. A. (n.d.). Where the boys aren't: Non-cognitive skills, returns to school and the gender

gap in higher education. IDEAS: Economics and Finance Research. Retrieved May 5,

2011, from http://ideas.repec.org/p/nbr/nberwo/8964.html


Schumacher, J. A., & Leonard, K. E. (2005). Husbands and wives' marital adjustment, verbal

agression, and physical aggression as longitudinal predictors of physical aggression in

early marrige. Journal of Consulting and Clinical Physchology, 73(1,28, '7), 28-37.


and you should probably read this too
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/0671793497/ref=tmm_hrd_used_olp_0?ie=UTF8&condition=used


It completely deconstructs the gender pay gap.


Although I think you're sort of right (it's far more complicated than you're implying, though), you must remember that it's MEN causing this violence, and this violence ALSO EFFECTS WOMEN.

So basically, a huge majority of men are violent assholes and cause the LARGE majority of the world's violence, which does not just effect men. Totes not any better, you know.



It doesn't change the fact that men are much more likely to be the victims of a violent crime, and just as likely to be abused at home, which kind of invalidates "the safest people in the world." unless you have some different definition of safe of which I am not yet aware.
crushdmb
Jul. 14th, 2012 05:39 pm (UTC)
Also, WHAT ABOUT THE POOR MENZ?! Omg we can't talk about an oppressed or minority group without first making sure we address the majority and group that is in power. DUH.

That poor majority. How I weep for them.
satanhog
Jul. 14th, 2012 07:02 pm (UTC)
Apparently if i include links it's marked as spam and screened, but what you aren't getting is you can't have some gender equality. I get so sick of hearing "WHAT ABOUT THE POOR MENZ". It's such a shitty cop out dodge.

I mean it really is disingenuous to only worry about the gender equality of women. Also the whole "Men as the oppressive empowered group" is kind of not a thing anymore. I mean are the people in power often men, yes. Does that mean men are in power, no. Are you marginalizing men, yes.

OP straight up says white men are the safest group in the world. That's just simply not true. Women are much safer than men because of the value society puts on women as opposed to men. Since I can't put any links in without it getting screened as spam, you're going to have to do your own research on gender symmetry in domestic violence, but it really is eye opening. You don't hear about it much, because it's rarely reported because of the social stigma at being "beat up by a girl" but domestic violence isn't about strength or fighting prowess, it's usually being perpetrated by someone they are supposed to love who isn't supposed to hurt them. I know this isn't exactly scientific, but I seriously don't know one man who has never been hit by his SO, because society finds it to be acceptable, and even worth of comedy. How many times have you seen the old joke about the wife hiding in the dark with a rolling pin ready to hit her husband over the head when he comes home late?

Reccomended reading is The Myth of Male Power: Why Men Are the Disposable Sex by Warren Farrell.

It really gets into the stuff that "everyone knows" about gender issues and kind of turns it on its head. Like he completely deconstructs the gender pay gap by showing that men also work longer hours, commute farther, and choose their jobs based on pay instead of safety or comfort, whereas women have less societal pressure to be "earners" so they tend to choose work that is more fullfilling, has shorter hours, and requires less commute.
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audrawilliams
Jul. 14th, 2012 06:49 pm (UTC)
Please revisit your rebuttal applying the following things I said:
white guys
in the world

Your stats all seem to be about ALL guys, and only in I think North America.
satanhog
Jul. 14th, 2012 07:04 pm (UTC)
My point is that all socioeconomic issues being the same, the woman is safer than her male counterpart, so white guys wouldn't be the safest, white women would be.
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littlegirltoast
Jul. 14th, 2012 07:48 pm (UTC)
Men are several times more likely to be the victims of violent crime, hundreds of times more likely to be killed at work, ...

Both of those are due to factors other than the inherent riskiness of being a man. Due to factors that privilege men and oppress women, more men are more frequently in situations where those risks are elevate. Of course the instance of men who are in those situations and NOT made victims or killed are ALSO much higher than women. Bad statistical analysis.

equally likely to be the victims of domestic violence, ...

Give me something to google if you can't link.

and more likely to be the victims of severe domestic violence.

Well women who wouldn't fare well in a physical struggle to sometimes kill their abusive partners with weapons. Men don't as often HAVE to do that. I'm finding this tough to swallow, as a person from the world.
satanhog
Jul. 14th, 2012 08:21 pm (UTC)
Straus, M. A., & Ramirez, I. L. (n.d.). Gender Symmetry in Prevalence, Severity, and

Chronicity of Physical Aggression Against Dating Partners by University Students

in Mexico and USA. AGGRESSIVE BEHAVIOR Volume 33, pages 281–290

(2007). Retrieved May 5, 2011, from pubpages.unh.edu/~mas2/ID12-Straus-

Ramirez%20Gender%20Symmetry.pdf


Kar, MHS, MA, H. L., & O'Leary Ph.D, K. D. (2010). Gender Symmetry or Asymmetry in

Intimate Partner Victimization? Not an Either/Or. Partner Abuse, 01(2), 152-168.

Jacobs, B. A. (n.d.). Where the boys aren't: Non-cognitive skills, returns to school and the gender

gap in higher education. IDEAS: Economics and Finance Research. Retrieved May 5,

2011, from
littlegirltoast
Jul. 14th, 2012 07:51 pm (UTC)
Or to cite a source you may find respectable:

"Men are ... hundreds of times more likely to be killed at work..." - you

"Like he completely deconstructs the gender pay gap by showing that men also work longer hours, commute farther, and choose their jobs based on pay instead of safety or comfort..." - also you
satanhog
Jul. 14th, 2012 08:23 pm (UTC)
But the source I am talking about is Warren Farrell. If you don't want to read the book I can't make you, but don't not read it and then say I am making things up
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Jul. 14th, 2012 08:16 pm (UTC)
There is an interesting discussion going on over in my book blog about the casual racism and coy Nazi displays that have been a part of the industrial scene for years, specifically targeting Michael Moynihan and Boyd Rice and those like them. I am going to discuss Jim Goad's seminal 'zine ANSWER Me!, including the infamous "rape" zine, and just announcing it has created more conversation than I have time to engage in at the moment because I need to write the actual discussion. I'm going to post this video in the comments for a couple of my readers - it was amazing and needs to be seen by everyone I know.

I occupy an uneasy place because I am so left-wing there is no political force in the USA that comes close to representing me, and I am an ardent feminist, yet I dwell in a place wherein I find fascinating even the worst ideas mankind brings to the table. I defend Peter Sotos' frightening mind because instead of being a salacious video aimed at degrading women, his works are a condemnation and exploration of media approaches to victimization, of the individual reaction to victimization, and of his own disturbing mind. So in a sense, I am both a feminist and a protector of even vile speech because of the strange dichotomies I myself embody. But it must be clear I defend the right to say such things as I dissect them for the palaver they often are.

I can't even begin to discuss the abuse I take even as I discuss bad philosophy. Interestingly, when men are not aware I am a woman, they threaten to kill me. Just last week a got a casual death threat using a proxy server (he would shoot me if only he had access to a gun). I guarantee you he has no idea I am not a man. I know this because when sexist and misogynist pieces of garbage know I'm a woman, I get threats of rape, and then murder. It happens so much I am desensitized to it. It happens so much that in my own home, my husband, who is a kind man and supportive of all human rights, wondered if the female response to such bullshit online engendered more of it and was appalled when I told him I seldom respond and yet it never stops. It's become such part and parcel of my online experience that it no longer occurs to me to tell my spouse, "Oh yeah, two more men threatened to rape me this week because I support feminist ideas and free speech." He was appalled and I don't think he had any idea of what it is that women truly face as we try to simply do what it is we want to do in life - in my case, discuss strange and odd books. I suspect most decent men have no fucking idea and I applaud Jairus for speaking out.

Sorry to make this all about me but your entry came during a time when I am certain something I am going to write is going to cause me untold amounts of grief. I was initially afraid the extreme-feminist blogosphere would attack, but really all of it will come from those who think I need to get raped and then put back in the kitchen, even as I discuss seriously a piece of literature that represents their mindset and has been dismissed by almost every intellectual forum. I am dreading the anniversary of the 7/22 mass murders in Norway because discussing the misogyny in 2083 and how women were scapegoated for all of society's ills by Breivik and Fjordman and others engendered more threats than anything else I have done and continues today. Even Socialists who read my first installment and linked to it came back to yell at me for going on a feminist head trip in my second installment, as if the whole attack wasn't, in a very large sense, fueled by hatred of women. It's frightening to me how acceptable demeaning women has become and how common language of violence against women has become.
littlegirltoast
Jul. 14th, 2012 10:43 pm (UTC)
I don't think your post makes things "all about you at all" - I think you're appealing to lived experience as an exemplar of a categorical difference between how men and women are addressed online by detractors in the overwhelming majority of cases.

I think it's a very valuable post, and even if you feel desensitized, I think it's brave to talk about being assailed like this. Thanks for writing it.
awdrey_gore
Jul. 15th, 2012 12:44 am (UTC)
Thanks for saying this. Audra's post came at a particularly strange time in my online interactions and I really had a reaction. :) I'm glad someone found some value in it.
ghostwes
Jul. 14th, 2012 08:33 pm (UTC)
That was great!

I've only ever been on the outskirts of industrial music, and have always been kind of squicked out by some of the imagery involved. This isn't a new thing by any means.

I am certain Jello would be supportive of this, both the message and the method used to convey it. He's probably already been made aware of it.
underwhelm
Jul. 14th, 2012 09:12 pm (UTC)
That was a greaat video. Thanks for sharing it along with the rest of your comments. Glad to see people taking chances and taking a public stand about these things.
palegreenthings
Jul. 18th, 2012 05:29 am (UTC)
I am just hoping that Satanhog is just a darker version of Spacehog.
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